Wednesday, October 11, 2006

Has Hill Accomplished His Goals?

Goals:
1) Win the WAC
2) Get established recruits
3) Establish a top 25 team yearly
4) Play BCS teams yearly
5) Become a household name
6) Break into the BCS and win a National Championship

Pat Hill set lofty goals for Fresno State when he arrived. He wanted to make the Bulldogs a nationally known product with respect to the college football landscape. Many fans have been arguing back and forth about what Pat Hill has actually accomplished with respect to the football program at Fresno State. If we take a look at the list of goals I remember him setting for the Bulldogs we are able to go down the list and figure out which goals he has accomplished and which ones he hasn't.

First off we have one WAC championship in 1999 and that was a co-title. We have not won the WAC outright and maybe blew our best chance with our losses at Nevada and against La. Tech last season. I do believe Pat Hill has brought in much better recruits over the past few years. We have continually put players in the NFL that end up performing very well. David Carr, Bernard Berrian, Richard Marshall, and Logan Mankins are just a few players that have prospered in the NFL to date. In the future you will be able to add Marcus McCauley, Kyle Young, Dwayne Wright, and Paul Williams to that list. So overall the recruits have been a step above what we had before Pat Hill arrived. Hill's third goal of establishing a top 25 team yearly has not worked out as he once hoped it to be. We have finished in the top 25 one time in his tenure and that was not with David Carr at QB. In 2004 we finished #22 I believe after we beat Virginia in the MPC Computers Bowl. With respect to number four well we do play top of the line BCS teams yearly as we have taken on Oregon the past two years, USC, and this year LSU. However, I don't think this scheduling tactic helps the Dogs out in the long run. They put so much energy and effort into beating top tier teams that they have nothing left when it comes to playing in the WAC. Goal number fiive definitely has materialized as most people in the nation now know who Fresno State is. Hill has been able to make us a household name and most people do not want to take on the Dogs as they see it as a lose-lose situation knowing that their team could very well lose the game. Lastly we have not played in a BCS bowl so of course that goal has not been reached. Here is the problem with this goal. When Utah made a BCS game they did not aim for that, they just went from their first game to their second and on and on. Boise this season is doing the very same thing and you hear very little talk of a BCS game with respect to Boise State. If Boise does make it they might be the most surprised that they get into a game of that magnitude. Here in Fresno we have changed our goal to BCS or nothing and honestly that is such a bad goal to have. This is on Pat Hill as he has made this a goal for the team when I feel they should focus on the WAC and the OOC schedule should be secondary.

So when it comes down to it how much has Hill accomplished? He has given us a national name, scheduled BCS schools yearly, and brought in better recruits. At the same time we have our new locker room facilities and the new video board is now present at Bulldog stadium. You figure that we will either do something to the field or expand one day and you have to think it is going to happen because of Hill's vision for the team. At the same time Hill has failed with respect to winning the WAC, and finishing in the top 25 yearly. I know he has failed to get us into a BCS game but I think that is a goal that should be made for much later on down the line. I can see why some want Hill gone and why others want to keep him here. Who is right and who is wrong? I guess the last seven games of the season will decide that.

8 comments:

formerdog said...

Don't think that I only want Pat Hill fired. I DO think that Pat Hill CAN be the right coach for FSU ONLY if (and ONLY if) he changes his goals and turns this mess around NOW.

His tenure facts prove that he DOESN'T change and this is what frustrates me. His GOALS are too big for the current FSU program.

He already gained national attention for his tough bravado (where Boise St. hasn't). So, now that you can clearly see that a tough schedule DOESN'T work - DIAL IT DOWN and take what's left of your 'household name' and change the way you set your goals.

Schedule lighter games and you will have much better chances of winning the WAC and going undefeated.

ONLY doing this CONSISTANTLY will get the better established recruits here and quite possibly the 5th BCS game, as well as your 'Tough Guy household name' BACK!

Answer to your question.
Goals:
1) Win the WAC - NO

2) Get established recruits - NO (not enough yet to play multiple games with the 'Big Boys')

3) Establish a top 25 team yearly - NO

4) Play BCS teams yearly - YES, but no 'Quality' BCS victories of teams that have a winning record.

5) Become a household name - YES, but it is fading VERY fast.

6) Break into the BCS and win a National Championship - NO

NOT VERY GOOD FOR TEN YEARS.

Change Now before it's too late.

Anonymous said...

The past couple of recruiting classes have had a few players who have turned down BCS conference colleges to attend Fresno ST. Pacheco in 05 and Miller and Schenk from the past recruiting class. There may have been more but these are the ones I know of for sure. We are getting talent here. I'm just not sure about the coaching.

evolution2.0 said...

"formerdog" well we have proven you can change. At least now you have points to discuss, now that you have backed off the "FIRE PAT HILL" mantra. Also, I figured if I am going to flame you, you might was well have a target to flame back at. Now I have a name.

evolution2.0 said...

I am going to disagree with the majority here and say you can't EVER lower your goals. The thing I like about Hill is his lofty goals. And his stuborness to stick by them when the world is falling in around him.

If all you strive for is to win the lowly WAC, you'll get stuck only winning the WAC. There is no reason why the ultimate vision shouldn't be win a National Championship.

A while back I posted a comment:
"Arkansas
Nebraska
Arizona
Washington State
Washington
Arizona State
Oregon State
Stanford
Oregon
California
Notre Dame
UCLA

How would our dogs do with this schedule?

Truth is when you play a schedule like that you deserve to be National Championship Contenders.

Nevada
Oregon
Washington
Colorado State
Utah State
Hawai'i
LSU
Boise State
New Mexico State
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
San Jose State

Yeah, we have a tough schedule. But, even winning all of them is it enough?"

You have to schedule tough. No matter what, the kids need to know that they can play with the best of the best. Even if they lose by a fluke faked field goal, or a break out game by Reggie Bush. No one can say that FS can't play with USC. That's a feather in our kid's cap.

Am I the only one who could give a rat's A about the WAC? Who cares about the WAC? Who ever cared about the WAC? If you lose all of your OOC games and win the WAC you still won't be ranked...ask Nevada.

I'll take wins over Kansas State, Washington and Virgina any year over winning the WAC...that'll get you ranked, not to mention beating USC and LSU.

And, I think what Hill has done in 10-years is so rare it should be commended. How many other coaches have made their school a house-hold name? Call it marketing, if you like, whatever you call it, it worked.

-evolve

formerdog said...

evolution 2.0

Just because one or two recruits turn down a PAC-10 school are comes here doesn't make the entire recruting class a 'blue chip all-american' recruiting class. You would be a fool if you think FSU gets better recruiting classes than USC, UCLA, CAL, OREGON. FSU gets 'leftovers' - that's a fact. Pat Hill does a great job with the C level recruiting classes he inherits the past ten years. He will NEVER get a class equal to the four PAC-10 schools above!

If he changes his scheduling and dials it down with the multiple big BCS games every year and actually starts to WIN every game, then he will get BETTER recruits than his prior ten clases. Just look at his class AFTER the 2001 year.

As far as

"Arkansas
Nebraska
Arizona
Washington State
Washington
Arizona State
Oregon State
Stanford
Oregon
California
Notre Dame
UCLA

Yes, win all of these games then your guaranteed a shot at the big dance.

Nevada
Oregon
Washington
Colorado State
Utah State 
Hawai'i
LSU 
Boise State
New Mexico State
Idaho 
Louisiana Tech
San Jose State

Hell NO. win all of these and you SHOULD get the 5th BCS game, but ONLY WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER will you get voted to play in the BCS championship game.

..."the kids need to know that they can play with the best of the best..." - Are you kidding me? Have you even played Division 1-A football? Don't fool yourself. We CAN'T play the best of the best week to week. Stop lying to these kids.

FSU CANNOT play this ridiculous schedule because we DON'T have enough TALENT and DEPTH to sustain a whole year! One big time BCS team a year - yes.

How many times do I have to say this. Look at the facts the past ten years under Pat Hill. If FSU DID have the depth and talent we would have had at least one UNDEFEATED season and WAC CHAMPIONSHIP - WE DON'T - that's the facts.

.."I'll take wins over Kansas State, Washington and Virgina any year over winning the WAC..." You are blinded by the Fu Man Chu mustache. Yes, these wins WOULD get you ranked, but playing these good teams every week depletes our ability to sustain the necessary momentum needed to win the entire season and we end up losing a easy game or two or three because there no more gas in the tank. (Just look at the past ten seasons).

..."How many other coaches have made their school a house-hold name?"...

Just look at Dan Hawkins for Boise St. and East Carolina coach Steve Logan.

...Change your ways Pat Hill or leave now...

Anonymous said...

Steve Logan???? Are you kidding?

evolution2.0 said...

"formerdog" to answer your question, yes, I played college football. And have competed on a professional level against National Champions and Olympic Champions. You?

There is some fundamental differences between you and me. I believe that playing with people better than you makes you better. You believe...why take the chance because you only lose and will be disappointed.

With big risk comes big rewards.

Guess what? When I went up against the big names, I lost to some and beat others. But, I ended up ranked in the top-5. Maybe I should just give up and never try again. Nah, I am to stubborn for that because I believe someday, I will beat them.

I do agree, there needs to be a change...I am just not sure at this point that Hill is not the man to make that change.

Also...Can recruiting improve more? For sure. Will it help any coach go undefeated, yes. But, my point was that it's improving.

formerdog said...

evolution 2.0

I played at FSU. I am not saying when but I have bowl rings to prove it.

"...you believe...why take the chance because you only lose and will be disappointed.''

WRONG - I believe in playing better competition EVERY year, but NOT biting off more than I can chew.

Currently, FSU CANNOT play the tough schedule that they have been the past ten years (just the facts). We don't have the depth and talent to sustain wins for a entire season.

The facts show that we end up losing to teams we should beat year in and year out.

..."With big risk comes big rewards."

YES - but ONLY risk ONE good game a year, NOT multiple games. All you need to do in this conference is beat one good BCS program and win the rest of your games and you will have a great shot at the 5th BCS game.

"...I am just not sure at this point that Hill is not the man to make that change."

I AGREE only if Pat Hill changes. His way hasn't worked for EVERY YEAR HE HAS COACHED HERE.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

"...my point was that it's (recruiting) improving."

SORT OF - Recruiting is better, but we both know it's not even close to PAC-10 recruiting classes. We CAN get much better recruiting classes here when Pat WINS. The only way we will return to the days of 1-2 loss seasons if if Pat changes his scheduling.

We only need 1 top 25 game a year and if we win, that is ALL the credibility we need (as long as we win all the WAc games too).